Creation vs Evolution

This subject is one which has divided nations, families and been the cause of many conflicts... I have pondered this in an attempt to undertand both sides and to balance my personal beliefs and my love of Science....
Over the past years the a concept has formed which appears to makes sense...
Tell what you think...

The Bible tell us that "God Created Heaven and then earth in 6 days and on the 7 day he/she rested..."
But thought accured to me that time in space is relative and we think of a day as the 24 hours we take to go the sun.... what if a day referred to a era... A day being the time it took to create and evolve ....
Day 1!
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

In the Beginning there was a Big Bang. The Earth was without form just dust until the formation began of the Galaxies . The sun takes shape and ignites... The Earth forms bathed in light... the Earth rotated into a study as she slowed and cooled began the passing of day and night. This Process takes 10 billions year approx.

Day 2

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Earth as she cools is covered with a salty water, on day two God filters the waters the into salt and fresh. Allows the salted heavy water to sink and the fresh pure water to rise to the surface..
this process about 100,000,000 years

Day 3
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Through great upheavals on the Earth land began to rise out of the sea, fresh began to gather in hollows in her surface and be filtered through the soil and land. The land being dry spout and plants to take hold in the nutrient rich soils. As the plants grew larger in number and diversity the atmosphere gained more and more oxygen to allow the Earths to develop Seasons.... Day and night became set into a steady flow and the plants became adapted into their roles of either night or day. Again this process takes approx. 2.5 billion years...

Day 4
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Moon and Galaxies are forming along side the earth, suns in other worlds ignite to shine as stars upon the Earth. The Moon is Captured in the Earth Gravity and takes her place opposite to the sun and becomes the symbol for night as the sun is the sign for day....

Day 5
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


The 1st life appears appears upon the Earth, moves within and out of the Oceans of the Earth. seeks out areas in which to grow. Bacteria and photo planktum....
Creatures grow and become adapted to the planet, 1st higher forms such as Jellyfish and worms appear. Then the 1st land animals start their cycle upon the earth....dinosaurs and insects , reptiles, Dinosaurs Rule and evolve into those we see to day and then Dinosaurs Die!
The Death of the Dinosaurs allowed the next great event to take place.... If the Dinosaurs had of survived then God would not have had the experience to get the next step right nor would the earth have been habitable for us..... this whole process takes about 2.5 billion years also....

Day 6
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


As the Earth and the creatures which are left after the exinction of the dinosarus begin to grow and evolve we see the rise of the mammels and the Earliest "human"...... it is fair to say that after the beasts have been created the first Humans appear it would also be fair to say the several forms of humans would have also formed from the beasts which God placed upon the Earth, Neanderthals etc which showed themselves not equipped to stand up to the changing conditions which have been put upon them ie the Last Ice Age, it would have been just prior to this event that modern man arrived on the scene....Humans as we know them today us. This only takes around 5 million years... practice....

It is fair I think to argue this point.... The rules which a God may have set for us can only come about with planning...
In the Universe Time scales can seem vastly different then we see them here.....
As from what I have been told God is Immortal and as such would not view their time the same as ours, it would be also fair to think that allowing has creations to evolve, would give a God the power to weed out things which may not work properly hence the death of the Dinosaurs.....

This also would mean that both sides are right Science and Religion..... There is no reason, nothing in Biblical text that this is not the case......

Unless God had practiced on other forms of beings such as the dinosaurs Neaderthals and alike how would God know what works.....

The Alternate answer to the Question of Evolution vs Creation is that we are either just Accidents of nature or God practiced on other worlds until he/she got it right then came here..... this would mean intelligent life on other planets....

When the all bugs are worked out of the system then you make final copy to take over and run the workings.....

After it is now stranger to beleive an entity who lives forever can create a entire cosmos, life, and an entire eco system in the equivalant of 6 earth days than it is to think the same Being could take as long they wanted to get it right .... is it...

When is a religion a Cult

Recently news reports have come out claiming a Religious group made contributions to the Australian Federal Government Election Campaign during the last election...

This is something which most Aussies find difficult to except. The seperation of Church and State has always been something taken for granted here. However these days the divide between the two is closing. Christian groups are becoming more and more of a tool to be used within the election campaign. The growing numbers of people involved in such groups is immense.

While eager to show the country what good Christian citizens, they are Australia is fast beginning to alienate a large selection of the community. Our politicians while having beliefs in what ever faith they choose should keep it at home and religion should not have a place in Government.....

With in Parliament we have Christians, Muslims, Buddist and people from many forms of religion the difference this time around is we are being told what their faiths are....

The group which made contributions to previous election campaign has the reputation of being somewhat of Cult.... A closed door Christian Group.... who puts fences around their churches, blackened windows on their car etc. It is very secretive.

Does a Politicans Personal religious faith sway your voting, does it matter?

So is this form of Secret Worship what defines a cult or is their more to it?

I ask you What are the differences between a Cult and a Religion?

Are You God Fearing?

This post is a bit of a question more than my usually statement type posts.

I want to know are YOU GOD FEARING?

Do you really fear God and why?


I have spoken to Priests and Ministers of various faiths and the one thing they all say in response to "tell me about God" is

God is all Seeing!

He is all knowing!

God cares deeply about each and everyone of us

God answers the prayers of those who ask

And He is a Merciful God

So when I ask them about themselves in their faith the response is:

We are God Fearing men and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ

So forgive my possibly silly if not even blasphemous questions, but tell me

If God is all seeing, all knowing , cares so much for each and everyone of us, answers the prayers of those who ask and is oh! so Merciful WHY are you afraid of them?

Why DO you follow the Teachings of Jesus, who regardless was a Man yes granted he was the son of God, but we are also taught through the Bible that we are all Gods children, and why are people of faith so quick to judge the opinions of those who choose to ask questions like these?

I happen to think God or Universal spirit what ever you call them, is more of an observer.
Yes! when an occasions arises and they/he are feeling generous, they/he do answer questions and prayers, but otherwise it must be like watching a multi channeled Television.
If you want to see a beautiful place look at the Jungles or the ice capped Poles, want to watch a soap opera look at the western world, want to see a war look at the middle east, if you want to watch suffering and hardship look at the starving masses and finally to see violence and suffering and things that would make your hair stand up on end look at Africa and the cradle of civilisation.
A God who cares and takes an active role in the lives of each and everyone of us would not allow this to happen to their loved ones, would you let it happen to your family.

It is a bit like, we are given free will and the ability to choose, the rest is up to us..... from time to time we are given a helping hand or a nudge in the direction God may wish us to take, but then it is left to us to use it or not......

What do you think?

Oh and yes I understanding some of you will say "oh you will Burn for this one!"

But I think God gave us this questioning mind to use and understand the world around us and would understand I am using what I was given to do that with....

I want your Ghost Stories

Do you believe in Ghosts?
Have you had a strange encounter you just cant explain?
Do you have a story you have heard
I want to hear it tell us what happened?

People believe in all sorts of things, but just because something can not be explained or scientifically proven, does not make the experience any less valid.
Heres one of mine:

I used to live in a house with a ghost, well I think it was, as I never saw it, however we heard most nights walking from the main bedroom up the hallway to the lounge room doorway, where it would stop.
The footsteps where not soft by any stretch of the imagination, they where the sound of heavy boots on timber floor boards, but the area was carpeted.
One night when we had friends staying over with their kids. During the night, one of them woke up screaming, not a nightmare scream, a terror scream parents would understand the difference, we where in the lounge room.
We settled the child, and when all was calm we asked her what had frightened her so, say replied: 'the footsteps in the hallway had woken her, she had sat up bed, then a man in a black coat and hat entered the room, stood at the foot of the bed and stared at her, then reached out to her, thats when she screamed and then he just vanished.'
Needless to say we were shocked and searched the house, yard etc, all windows where locked and no-one had entered through the door....
The footsteps have been heard on regular basis since, but no one ever saw him again.

Is this the end... Do you beleive

In recent times we are being told these are the End Times and Armegeddon is around the corner. And I guess to some degrees they could be right: When the human race as a species are hell bent on killing each other, global warming appears to be like a organism in its death throws, viruses and illness designed to kill, illness resistant to treatment and the list goes......

A few hundred years ago people thought the signs where there when black death came and ran rampent throughout Europe but we did survive and continue.

But something tells me these days are different.....

I am curious to know what you think

Are we in the myst of Armegeddon?
Are the signs there for the End days?
And is there any hope to change the outcome?
If so would you?

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How to stop Religious Extremism

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It seems that the rest of the problems within the world, stem one form or another from religion, not faith and this needs to be said.... it is not faith that is the problem, it is the religion. After all I have never heard a Tree Hugging New Age Spiritual Healer say believe what I tell you, my God is better than yours and if you don't believe in the new word I am telling you, 'I am going to tie you a tree and burn you alive,' have you.... you see the the Tree Hugging New Age Spiritual Healer has faith in what they believe but no religious doctrine to base it on.... there is no good book which gives instructions and which can be blamed....

So I propose in order solve all the Religious in fighting, the radical religious groups, the reborn religious movements, religious fundamentalism and any and all forms of religions:
be BANNED..... for crimes against the rest of us.

You see if I believe what I want and what feels right to me, and you believe in whats feels right to you, and your neighbours have there own belief which feels right to them although they may be different beliefs in various ways, there can be no uniform forms of worship, no book to blame, no one to be single out as heretic and no political gain......

The Vatican would have to release all of their treasures to the various museums, the wealth of the churches would be returned to people, the holy land disputes would no longer have an argument.

The argument of God gave us this land would no longer stand because whose god would that be.... God on our side would have the same problem.... this does not mean you could not have faith but it would allow you to have unpressureded faith in what you chose to believe without church groups, minority and majority religious organisations trying to manipulate political parties to suit their own needs.....

The law of the land would be a standard moral code based on morals and not religion.

Well what do you think?

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Church in Politics

Should there be church and religion in Politics?

In Australia we are starting to see Pentecostal Churches taking an active roll in Government with both Parties lining up to show just how faithful they are.
The claims for this upsurge in faith based politics is much the same as in America, with family values being the main component.
Can we examine this a little further and give a open eye to the family value claim of churches, no denomination in particular.

1. Family orientated: In several christian faiths, require the priest to be celebrate, not married so as to dedicate their life to God and or the faith. Others segregate men and women and children while attending mass or pray. Some of these require women to be down graded in social standings and others require women not to be priest but nuns and also remain celebrate. Therefore their family experience in today's world is based on what they see and their upbringing not experience within there own which we all understands counts for alot.

2. Safe and Nurturing environment: The various faiths have long preached a safe environment in which children can be placed to learn the values instilled within the holy books all faiths follow.....
We are increasingly becoming aware of children being manipulated within these groups into hard line fanatics, each one taught to believe the other is evil..... Although the children within the groups appear safe from physical harm the mental issues as they grow are becoming more and evident.

3. Moral Standings: This is big, As anyone who has attended a church meeting would tell you. All Holy books are full of stories which give guidelines to live your life by. Having been to Sunday school and read a few of these books in my search, I must say the Ten Commandments and others to me are common sense.... we all understand you should kill someone, you shouldn't haven't an affair with someone Else's partner, you should treat people as you want to be treated etc.... these lessons have been around longer than any Holy book discovered so far.
The issue of moral values also comes into question in a big way with the allegation of child abuse by faithful members of most denominations....

4. Understand of differences: This one takes into account understanding towards.... cultural, Social, economic, gender, sexuality and general beliefs. So here goes:

Cultural: Most faiths regard there purpose while on earth as one of conversion. Converting people, societies and country into one united faith ... theirs....most faiths do not take into account the peoples cultural background. For evidence of these just look at the crusades, Inquisitions, and the Catholic - Prodestants battles of recent times.

Social: This one the faiths do seem to help with and several of the long recognised faiths doing a terrific job in helping those less fortunate.... in countries with extreme poverty they play a major part in helping the population.... however in the same countries the conversion rate in also quite high.

Economic: Apart from the faiths above there is a growing number of religious groups which hold money and its pursuit, high on their ladder with people from high economic backgrounds being sort after. These also preach that God wishes them to be rich, accumilating wealth is among his teaching, send money to the church to show your faith etc....
examples of these can be seen in everyday Evangelists, the Pentecostal Churches and various others.

Gender: Well in most faiths if your a male you seem to have more rights than if your female, your social standing and place within the group can be far more advanced if you a male.
A womens place is with the children and looking after her husbands needs.

Sexuality: There is in almost all faiths an intolerance to people who are homosexual. This seems to be an issue more based on fear than fact. The christian churches stance on this subject has been more than unsympathetic in all areas. In the other faiths you very rarely hear of the subject as it is frowned upon and punishments can be quite severe.
This form of intolerance in this day and age should be unheard off.

Given the fact that more people are pulling away from mainstream churches and religions is it relevant to have such groups penitrating our very government with their own views on how the rest should live our lives. I do feel the subjects of religion and politics should be kept quite separate, introduce religion into the political arena and you open a hornets nest of issues and problems which really shouldn't be there.

So given the above thoughts and understandings how can any government regardless of the country or the majority faith contemplate bringing any form of faith into politics.....
If a government is to be Fair and Just to all its people makes it impossible to be either fair just our importial this thought of this happening in any country should be to say the least a frightening prospect to all...
What if it isn't your faith that wins government.

What Do you believe

What do you believe?
Which of the faith do you follow. Do you follow a mainstream faith or a new age one. What about those faiths which are more obscure....
Here is chance to tell the world what your faith has to offer to the rest of us.....